the day we would list all of the advances that were made in an advance book. Mr. CORNWELL - Do you recall whether or not you used that in the process of looking through the 30-day book you described? Mr. WILCOTT - None initially. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, I believed it to be a little more than speculation, that the source at least of this kind of talk was, I believe, to be something more serious than speculation. Mr. WILCOTT - The specific incident was soon after the Kennedy assassination, where an agent, a Case Officer -- I am sure it was a Case Officer -- came up to my window to draw money, and he specifically said in the conversation that ensued, he specifically said, "Well, Jim, the money that I drew the last couple of weeks ago or so was money," either for the Oswald project or for Oswald. In addition, all of my interview notes and tapes inexplicably disappeared. His first day on the job was October 29, 1945. Mr. WILCOTT - I don't know. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And would he corroborate your observation that Oswald was an agent? or C.I.A. Hurt initially doubted that such a large container could be moved into the building inconspicuously. (2009), James W. Douglass explains this in detail, including the James Wilcott story. This was making payments and keeping pay records. Mr. Shelly claims to have been an intelligence officer during World War II and thereafter joined the CIA. Mr. WILCOTT - No, I don't. Not long after Oswald departed from the scene, Shelley told Truly that Oswald was missing. Let us say, for instance, that there was a certain project going on, and the project was one that became known that this project was being carried out -- and we call it "flaps," -- and the Case Officer in charge might get word that somebody from headquarters was coming to review the files to investigate the flap. Dave -- I can't remember his last name, Deputy Chief of the China Branch; and then a person whose last name was XXXXXXXXX in the XXXXXXXXX Branch. [3] Telephone interviews of Campbell March 19, 1994; Jones, March 19, 1994; Williams, April 4, 1994; Garner, August 14, 1999. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Was he a CIA employee? Out of curiosity, he opened this door and saw a large storage area that took over half of the square footage of the fourth floor. I found it very, very difficult to talk about these things that I think ought to be talked about, very difficult. James Earl Ray fired one shot at Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. This we concluded from putting various pieces of information together. Mr. WILCOTT - It is a little bit east of Oakland, California. Currently he has been studying the Zodiac Killer case and writes for a website called zodiackilleridentified.com. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you ever bring your allegation to the attention of anyone in the CIA? I was up to my neck before I realized it. Something went wrong. He was in the military service over there, and so you feel be was a double agent who was trained while he was in the military by the CIA, and you mentioned he was given a Russian course. I am afraid we are going to have to leave to make this vote right now. Mr. WILCOTT - Oh, no. I will ask if you will stand and be sworn. Mr. GOLDSMITH - I am not sure that that is responsive. Mr. WILCOTT - Dozens, literally dozens. Mr. WILCOTT - No; I think that I looked through my advance book -- and I had a book where the advances on projects were run, and I leafed through them, and I must have at least leafed through them to see if what he said was true. [8] Jim Marrs, Crossfire (Carroll & Graf. Mr. CORNWELL - Let me rephrase it. Mr. CORNWELL - Has any representative of the Agency or anyone who you believed might be a representative of the Agency ever come to you and discussed these matters? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have an opinion as to how the His tires were slashed and sugar was poured into his gas tank. Mr. DODD - In 1957? Mr. CORNWELL - It was not normally part of your duties or the scope of the knowledge that you routinely acquired on your job, as I understand it, for you to know what the cryptonyms meant; is that correct? Joe died on August 29, 2001 at the age of 55. Told to report to base by the tower. My testimony included numerous meetings with a man named Bill Shelly (I am no longer certain of the correct spelling of his last name.) Mr. WILCOTT - No, I didn't. The largest typical box for books measured 12 x 14 x 18 inches, was made out of cardboard, and when filled with books weighed 55 pounds. Mr. WILCOTT - That is true, sir. That he continued to serve in a military, or semi-military, capacity at the same time he was working for a schoolbook company is indicated by his obituary, which said he was a veteran of World War II. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Where is Concord located? I think, or I am certain, in my own mind, that, if these people were approached that some of these people -- There is a very large spider guarding this web of secrecy. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you remember the name of this Case Officer? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Were you ever able to find any indication in any of the XXXXXXX Station's records that Oswald was, in fact, a CIA agent? Mr. WILCOTT - Well, my tires were slashed and damage done to my car and I believe sugar poured in the gas tank, and whether this was actually CIA or not I have no way of knowing, and it could also have been just for harassment as a result of antiwar activities but I think there is also a possibility that it could have been attempts to intimidate me into talking about the CIA. She enjoyed keeping up on the Kennedy family during their years in the White House. WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978 . Mr. WILCOTT - That he was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work for doing CIA operational work. Mr. DODD - And the information given you occurred sometime three months after the actual assassination. Copyright 2016-2022 by kennedysandking.com All Rights Reserved. Mr. WILCOTT - Generally so, I would say, at that time. Mr. GOLDSMITH - To your knowledge, would any records at CIA Headquarters document that Oswald was a CIA agent? She died in 1969. The specific incident was soon after the Kennedy assassination, where an agent, a Case Officer -- I am sure it was a Case Officer -- came up to my window to draw money, and he specifically said in the conversation that ensued, he specifically said, "Well, Jim, the money that I drew the last couple of weeks ago or so was money," either They were co-hosts of a program called Alternative Views featuring news, interviews, and opinion pieces from a progressive point of view. [28] A roll call of warehouse employees seemed to indicate that Oswald was indeed absent. Mr. WILCOTT - XXXXXXXXXXXXX (spelling). Did you contact any CIA officer or employee with respect to the secrecy oath and discuss with them whether or not you should be permitted to discuss these matters outside of the Agency? Mr. WILCOTT - It was at least a matter of weeks and perhaps as much as three months after. Perhaps that is why I was so unprepared during that brief step into the looking glass.. Just as in the case of Carolyn Arnold and Roy Truly, the strange menace that Glaze encountered in early 1975 continued to follow him through the course of his life. Mr. WILCOTT - I believe they would at one time. I went immediately into the clear space on the ground floor and asked where there was a phone. Henry Hurt, author of Reasonable Doubt, discovered such boxes while investigating the claims of an alleged conspirator. It was an infantry replacement center as well as a German POW camp. Mr. WILCOTT - They would have summaries of some sort. Roy Truly was, up to the time of his death in 1985, continuously frightened by "federal authorities." Common to both the 1977 and 1989 letters are the strange men asking strange questions. that I had at my gate, and I did that with cryptonyms from time to time for something -- we would want to check back into their accounting for something. Mr. PREYER - Thank you. That would be William Shelley, who Oswald worked under for six weeks as an order filler for the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD). Mr. GOLDSMITH - Excuse me, please proceed very slowly. It would be easy to verify: (1) if a reporter named Glaze has ever worked for the Lubbock newspaper, (2) if a journalist named Glaze was living in Dallas in 1974/1975. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Finally, under threats and intense harassment from Dallas Police, I was forced to flee Dallas in early 1975. Mr. SAWYER - Who is the public safety commissioner? In 1999, a friend and fellow researcher named Steve Gaal discovered among the listings of the JFK assassination section of the National Archives website a notice of a letter written by a Mr. Glaze to the HSCA. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - Not at this time. I think you are making some important allegations here, and you have been very helpful in giving some witnesses' names through which we might be able to corroborate it, but I think it is very important that we know clearly how much of this was cocktail party talk and how much was shop talk and how much was speculation and rumor and how much was hard fact. Can you recall whether the tone of it was rumor or shop talk or was the tone of it that "this is true"? Please publish modules in offcanvas position. One of said employees, her husband, and child, disappeared without a trace a few hours after granting me an interview. Enclosed is a copy of the response from G. Robert Blakey, Chief Counsel and Director of the Select Committee on Assassinations. Mr. WILCOTT - I am sorry? Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club thats right for you for free. I have no further questions. As mentioned, this woman, her husband, and young child disappeared within hours after my interview. The owner of the establishment, rightwing oil man, D. H. Byrd would have had little problem approving that kind of clearance. I called the number of the Avalanche Journal in Lubbock, Texas and got the personnel director. As far as that they actually said, they said they were having trouble with Oswald and that there was dissatisfaction with Oswald after he came back from the Soviet Union, and the would say things like "Well, you know this was the way to get rid of him -- to get him involved in this assassination thing and put the blame on Cuba as a pretext for another invasion or another attack against Cuba. Ruffians driving by yelled derogatory things and threw objects at the house such as half-empty beer cans. Mr. WILCOTT - Oh, yes. They received threats over the telephone, even death threats. Mr. CORNWELL - What, if any, investigation did the Agency do with respect to that? Obviously, my handwriting has long been broken down. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - I don't confirm any of them except with the community renewal program as coming from there and I am. Mr. WILCOTT - That is right. The band started out in 1966 in Long Beach, California, and became known for its unique blend of country western and rock and roll. Mr. WILCOTT - Gordon Finch. The home of Joe Bergin, Sr. and his wife seemed to have been a target for persecution, perhaps because Mrs. Bergin was strongly pro-Kennedy and actively worked for his election in 1960. WEDNESDAY, MARCH 22, 1978 About four or five years after the assassination, she said, Scott Foresman and another publisher called Southwestern decided to sever ties with the Texas School Book Depository. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And the first time you alleged in public this allegation was in 1968? Mr. PREYER - So that in XXXX, you indicated, six or seven people talked to you and were, as I understood it, rather definite about the Oswald connection? He could not remember when this occurred, but it was before the assassination, but after extensive remodeling had been done on the third and fourth floors to add office suites for the publishing companies. Mr. GOLDSMITH - So, it never really came forward for you to go to the Warren Commission, did it? Considering the noise of gun blasts and the uproar going on outside, it is odd that Oswald continued to be unconcerned. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, it was just a cryptonym, and it could refer to a person, or it could refer to something else and I would have no way of knowing what a cryptonym referred to. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Your book. Assassinations, The subcommittee met at 10:20 a.m., pursuant to notice, in room 2344 of the Rayburn Office Building, the Honorable Richard Preyer (Chairman of the subcommittee), presiding. She said that there is a whole lot more to tell about the TSBD than what has been publishedthat the whole building should be suspected as more or less of a safe base to operate from that day in November 1963.[9]. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Is that list complete and does it have. Glazes meetings with Shelley were therefore not at the Ambassador Row facility, as I originally believed, but rather they occurred at the building on Gemini Lane. James Wilcott's Testimony Intro Author: Jim Hargrove <hargrove@enteract.com> . (Whereupon, at 12:55 p.m. the subcommittee recessed. suspicious that many of the other things that happened may have had as its source the CIA. Find helpful customer reviews and review ratings for JFK Assassination : The James B. Wilcott Files And The CIA Oswald Project: An Investigative Report at Amazon.com. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. It was not until 1999 that I located and spoke with Leslie Thompson, one of the original members. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Would your Counsel identify himself for the recorder? Mr. GOLDSMITH - What was your response to this revelatic as to what Oswald's cryptonym was? Mr. GOLDSMITH - When was the first time that you alleged in public that Oswald was a CIA agent. Retired TSBD vice president Ochus Campbell said the move took place about five years prior to the assassination. Mr. CORNWELL - Did you -- at the time you made the decision to discuss outside of the Agency this matter, did you focus on the secrecy oath problem? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. December 30, 2005 in JFK Assassination Debate Share Followers 0 Posted December 30, 2005 I started to read through the HSCA testimony of James Wilcott on the History Matters website, and ran across this line on page 1: "Approximately April-June, 1963, Cryptonym for Oswald Project approx. Mr. WILCOTT - That is true. These ebooks can only be redeemed by recipients in the US. Mr. CORNWELL - What did they say along those lines? Mr. SAWYER - Was he in Utica? Mr. PREYER - I would like before we begin to read a written statement concerning the subject of the investigation. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Why has it been difficult? Mr. DODD - I am a little confused, I suppose, * Assassination Archives and Research Center leads the fight in federal court for full JFK disclosure. Mr. CORNWELL - Do you have any knowledge, based upon your tenure XXXXXXX as to who would have trained Oswald in the Russian language if that occurred? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Other people who worked at the book depository suffered as well. [7] Through some insider intrigue, a saleslady at Neiman Marcus found out what Jacqueline Kennedy was going to wear the day of her arrival in Dallas. This man said that a large wooden box, 36 x 48 x 60 inches, was used to import arms into the building, one with a false bottom. ", and things like that. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Then in 2009 I read and reviewed James Douglass's masterpiece, JFK and the Unspeakable, and my traumatic memories of 1963 and after came flooding back in full force. Mr. WILCOTT - Well, I was on day duty for the station. He passed away on November 15, 2019, after a fall causing brain injury. In 1970, the TSBD and the schoolbook publishers moved out of the old 411 Elm Street building. Mr. WILCOTT - In 1968. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Do you solemnly swear that the evidence you are about to give before this subcommittee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 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